Snoke is Plagueis Reborn from Vaders Ashes? - Another Star Wars Theory

Ok, so it came to my attention (mostly from watching Jedi Council on Collider where it was brought to my attention there) that there is a theory among some that Snoke is Vader.

Although I too dismiss this idea, as that would completely go against the story of redeeming Vader and it would really in all sense be a big finger at all Star Wars fans ever. We even saw him in a Ghost Form "redeemed". I will go to say that it got me thinking of another theory that kind of mixes many things together into one.

Who is Snoke is the question every Star Wars fan is asking (well, after another question of who is Rey). In my Spoiler Review I mention how I believe that he is indeed Darth Plagueis, you can read that there (Under the "06. Snoke. Is he Darth Plagueis?" bit) were I explain my reasons and all the things that point to him being Darth Plagueis.

Now with this new theory, and imagery from Vader, Snoke, Vaders helmet, and some other ideas out there, I found myself thinking of a new theory that although could be wacky on the one hand, on the other stranger things have happened in the Star Wars universe.

Darth Plagueis is referred to as the wise. In The Force Awakens, Kylo Ren says again about Snoke the same thing. He is wise.

Going off the Snoke being Plagueis idea (again, which I go over in my spoiler review) Plagueis is wise. The Sith keep saying how much they have "foreseen things" and Darth Sidious didn't miss a chance to keep telling his apprentice "I have foreseen it, it is as I have foreseen, foreseen foreseen foreseen...." again and again. Yeah, we got it Sidious, you can see things.

At this point, although the Jedi believe in being mindful of the future and that it is not set, the Sith evidently look at it more as a guide and try to manipulate events to make events and things they have seen come to pass. On a side note, Anakin is told to be mindful of the future only, yet his visions of his mother come true and so we could also assume this was another detail that set him apart from his teachings and belief in the Jedi.

Plagueis being the master of Sidious, and the big daddy for a while as we have learned, we can assume that he has seen a lot of the future and knew of many events that would play out.

We also learn that he could create life. Palpatine looks over to Anakin when saying this and for many (not sure if this is canon but I recently read it in a wookie-pedia too I think, will look up on it again) this implies that it was Plagueis that created Anakins birth from the Midichlorians. The perfect force body, conceived by the Force, with enough power in it that it far surpassed even Yoda... by a lot, from what we are told.

Plagueis at this point could know that Sidious would overthrow him. Kept his ability to come back a secret. And set things up so Anakin would be trained in the ways of a Darth by Sidius and fall to the Dark Side. Knowing one day Anakin would be overthrown, keeping to the shadows all this time, and coming back now when all is said and done with the Empire.

The most common image for the Snoke = Vader theory out there.

Here is the theory.

What if all this was planned as such so that Plagueis could create for himself a much more powerful body. One conceived by the force, one that was strong in the influence of the Dark Side, and his perfect vessel and means for resurrection.

At this point, how do we even know how he comes back to life if he is indeed Plagueis?

Being the wise, he is patient, he has seen much. He has set it all up, so that he can return with no-one there to confront him. Luke is his only threat, and reason to why he has to time his return now.

The idea is that Anakins' body is burned, turned to ashes, all those midichlorians released. And although I do not see Snoke being Vader, I do think it would be a cool idea that he used Anakins' body to come back to life and this was a part of his plan.

This also aligns to why he was absent all this time and during the classic trilogy, and also what he means by saying he has been over-watching the events all this time. That he was there when Vader could not kill Luke. In the books unless I am mistaken. And that being a critical moment.

Perhaps he referred to much more at that point, as in Anakin/Vader in that moment created the opportunity for Snokes' (Plagueis) return. Another way it could have gone was Luke being fried, and Plagueis again taking a new body to use for his resurrection. Either way, the stage was set for that moment.

Another image from Snoke = Vader believers. If the body of Anakin, ashes or what not,
was however used, this could be viable. It is still a stretch, but what if?

The First Order rose from the Ashes of the Empire. Perhaps this is more literal than we think in some areas than just a saying. Perhaps Snoke rose from the ashes of Vader, like a Phoenix, being yet another fantasy element they could use in the world of Star Wars.

Aside from the "scratch marks" that are similar to Vader on his face, the skin to Snoke looks very much like it is burnt as well. And perhaps he has not completed his resurrection.

Snoke at this point could also be a code name referencing two things in one. Smoke and snake. Like a snake he orchestrated everything all those many years ago. The idea was for him to wipe out the Jedi order, and then come back to life unchallenged. Waiting in the dark all this time, "watching everything" as it unfolded. Like a snake, but also like smoke, something that was there in force form perhaps, and a hint at the whole resurrected from ashes part of it all.

If not from the ashes directly, the smoke that rose was all the energy and midichlorians released, gathered as such by a being that is evidently always around in the same plane of energy, and used to bring himself back to life. Again, stranger things have happened (Anakin conceived by the midichlorians I would say is as strange if not stranger).

Sure, it sounds like a wacky theory and I know I am getting completely ahead of myself. Not saying this is the ultimate truth and this is what they are planning hands down! or anything like that, of course. I am simply in awe and thinking at how cool such a story could be.

We have seen stranger things. Anakin being born by the force? Plagueis creating life? Jedi being able to come back as Force Ghosts? And of course all the other stuff that has become simply normal to us, like seeing into the future and controlling things with their mind... Now even, being able to (speaking of Kylo) freeze laser bolts in mid air, freeze people, put them to sleep, and read their minds. Even Vader when interrogating Leia cold not read her mind.

If the idea of Plagueis coming back to life is not that far fetched and could be were they are going with this, then I doubt that the details of how this happens could be any more far fetched than the theory of coming back altogether. Which, also answers a lot of other questions the likes of "where was Snoke all this time and why is he back now?" Well, maybe it was Vaders' death that allowed him to return.

The best part about all of this is that the films do not even need to address this to be an awesome story plot.

I am thinking that as an idea it could be waaaaay too confusing for normal film goers or even SW fans to follow in a film, needing much explanation indeed to come across right. At which point they don't need to do much more than say "Plagueis, the lord of Sidious was capable of creating life... it seems, he was capable of so much more, and he came back to life himself". In another part of the film, they might want to refer to "Snoke used the ashes of Vader, the strongest Jedi to ever live, to bring himself back to life" and say nothing more of it from there on, they might not. Depending on what is less confusing. The rest? It can all be part of the books from there on, for those wanting in on a much more detailed description of what went down.

As wacky as it may sound, I would love this to be something they do. One could ask at this point "if its from Vaders' ashes, then why did he remake it in its burnt form". Well, guys, this a fantasy world were Jedi and Sith fight with force powers. They could easily explain this by saying something as convenient as "well, the rebirth from the ashes was in a way reversing the process of the burning, so as he reverses the process the ashes form the body in its last form, and since then he has been slowly trying to reverse it further to heal himself to a slightly younger and unscathed age."

A stretch indeed, but hey who knows right? They might actually be indeed thinking of something of the sort after all....

Now I am starting to think that if they by any chance ever come across these theories, that they might change their intended path just to throw the fans off. The irony. Do we make up theories at this point or do we not in the fear that we might ruin plot points and force them to change them? Either way, this is so much fun to speculate on and that is really what it is all about after all. Rather than thinking we might be right or wrong, this is the fun part to this all, speculating and coming up with wacky ideas and theories on something we love.

That's it for now guys till next time, and as always, may the force be with you ;)